Cuales son los Patchbays que mayor calidad ofrecen?

Magix_Studio escribió:

Por lo que veo hay patchbays de muchas marcas, Behringer, DBX, Samson, Switchcraft, Hosa, Signex, ... pero cual os parecen los de mayor calidad? los más caros?

Por lo que veo Switchcraft son de los que más cuestan, es una buena opción para conectar aparatos Hi-End, o hay otros patchbays mejores?

Me interesan de los que se conectan con TRS por la parte de atrás. Y por el frontal poder usar latiguillos TRS o Bantam.

Alguien usa patchbays XLR, con latiguillos XLR? Son más recomendables los patchbays con frontales TRS y Bantam que XLR?

A ver si me podéis recomendar alguno.

A800MKIII escribió:

Respecto a los Patch con XLR's he de decirte que esto solo es valido/practico en aquellos sitios donde solo intervengan señales de micrófono ( ya que pasar las señales de micrófono a través de un Patch Bantam/TTL conlleva cierta problemática y no es muy recomendable su utilización para este tipo de señales) y donde no haya gran "densidad" de conexiones y no necesitemos "puentear en reposo" nuestras señales
Un saludo

masterlogic escribió:

A800MKIII escribió:

Respecto a los Patch con XLR's he de decirte que esto solo es valido/practico en aquellos sitios donde solo intervengan señales de micrófono ( ya que pasar las señales de micrófono a través de un Patch Bantam/TTL conlleva cierta problemática y no es muy recomendable su utilización para este tipo de señales) y donde no haya gran "densidad" de conexiones y no necesitemos "puentear en reposo" nuestras señales
Un saludo

Hola, yo paso señales de micro por mi signex con conectores Bantam..... ¿por que dices que puede conllevar cierta problemática?
Un saludo.

Alguien escribió:

Q- Can I plug my microphones through a patchbay?

Patching microphone circuits from the studio floor to the desired mixer channel is one of the most useful aspects of a jackfield, although there are potential problems since, if phantom power is being supplied from the desk through the jackfield, patching a mic can damage the console.

As the jack plug is inserted into the jackfield its tip will momentarily connect with the ring contact in the socket, while the ring of the plug touches the sleeve contact. This short-circuits the phantom supply, bridging the +48V line straight to the earth return and, although the phantom supply should cope, the resulting voltage spike can cause irreparable damage to the input circuitry of the mixer channel. The mic input stage can be destroyed outright (particularly with older types of electronically balanced inputs) but it is more usual to find a gradual degradation in performance as various circuit components deteriorate.

Also, unless the patchbay labelling is extremely clear (see page 128), it is all too easy to plug a line source into a microphone input accidentally. If you are lucky the result will be a loud and horribly distorted signal, but it is possible for the phantom power on the mic sockets to destroy the output stage of the line source you are trying to connect!

There are a couple of solutions to these problems. Ideally the phantom power should be turned off while patching, although many mixers hide the phantom switches on the back of the mixer where you can't get at them easily. Many of the better budget mixers (such as the latest XDR Mackie consoles, for example) have mic inputs which have been specifically designed to withstand hot-patching of mics. However, this still doesn't protect against plugging line sources into mic sockets.

If you are concerned about this kind of accident, a reasonably practical alternative (and one I personally recommend) is to patch the mics on a dedicated XLR patchbay -- Canford Audio, for example, can supply suitable panels. XLR sockets are designed so that the earth connector (pin 1) contacts first, with the two signal pins connecting fractionally later, thus avoiding any chance of the phantom supply being shorted. The contacts are also much better suited to delicate microphone signals, and you cannot accidentally plug a line-source jack plug into an XLR socket! In most broadcast studios the usual practice is to supply phantom power direct to the studio wall points, which is an alternative method of avoiding having phantom power across the jackfield.
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A800MKIII escribió:

masterlogic escribió:

A800MKIII escribió:

Respecto a los Patch con XLR's he de decirte que esto solo es valido/practico en aquellos sitios donde solo intervengan señales de micrófono ( ya que pasar las señales de micrófono a través de un Patch Bantam/TTL conlleva cierta problemática y no es muy recomendable su utilización para este tipo de señales) y donde no haya gran "densidad" de conexiones y no necesitemos "puentear en reposo" nuestras señales
Un saludo

Hola, yo paso señales de micro por mi signex con conectores Bantam..... ¿por que dices que puede conllevar cierta problemática?
Un saludo.

Hola masterlogic,
El problema, básicamente, es que si pasamos señales de micrófono a través de nuestro patch debemos de ser muy cuidadosos a la hora de realizar las conexiones, ya que en el caso de tener la alimentación Phantom conectada a la hora de introducir nuestro Cable de Patch provocaremos un corto, pudiendo estropear la entrada de micrófono de nuestra mesa.
De todas formas una explicación mas extensa y concreta la tienes aquí:

Alguien escribió:

Q- Can I plug my microphones through a patchbay?

Patching microphone circuits from the studio floor to the desired mixer channel is one of the most useful aspects of a jackfield, although there are potential problems since, if phantom power is being supplied from the desk through the jackfield, patching a mic can damage the console.

As the jack plug is inserted into the jackfield its tip will momentarily connect with the ring contact in the socket, while the ring of the plug touches the sleeve contact. This short-circuits the phantom supply, bridging the +48V line straight to the earth return and, although the phantom supply should cope, the resulting voltage spike can cause irreparable damage to the input circuitry of the mixer channel. The mic input stage can be destroyed outright (particularly with older types of electronically balanced inputs) but it is more usual to find a gradual degradation in performance as various circuit components deteriorate.

Also, unless the patchbay labelling is extremely clear (see page 128), it is all too easy to plug a line source into a microphone input accidentally. If you are lucky the result will be a loud and horribly distorted signal, but it is possible for the phantom power on the mic sockets to destroy the output stage of the line source you are trying to connect!

There are a couple of solutions to these problems. Ideally the phantom power should be turned off while patching, although many mixers hide the phantom switches on the back of the mixer where you can't get at them easily. Many of the better budget mixers (such as the latest XDR Mackie consoles, for example) have mic inputs which have been specifically designed to withstand hot-patching of mics. However, this still doesn't protect against plugging line sources into mic sockets.

If you are concerned about this kind of accident, a reasonably practical alternative (and one I personally recommend) is to patch the mics on a dedicated XLR patchbay -- Canford Audio, for example, can supply suitable panels. XLR sockets are designed so that the earth connector (pin 1) contacts first, with the two signal pins connecting fractionally later, thus avoiding any chance of the phantom supply being shorted. The contacts are also much better suited to delicate microphone signals, and you cannot accidentally plug a line-source jack plug into an XLR socket! In most broadcast studios the usual practice is to supply phantom power direct to the studio wall points, which is an alternative method of avoiding having phantom power across the jackfield.
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