Nuevo Yamaha MOXF

#121 por jefloma el 27/10/2013
¿Se sabe algo de alguna bolsa de transporte para el MOXF? Con el MOX si que había, pero ahora no hay forma de encontrarla por España.

También me sirve cualquier bolsa que este bien acolchada y no vaya el teclado de un lado a otro.
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#122 por jefloma el 28/10/2013
Bueno, pues otro que esta esperando un MOXF6, acompañado de la bolsa del MOX.
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#123 por Robertin_Keys el 29/10/2013
Alguien sabe para cuando estaría en tiendas en México?

Cuánto sería el precio de lanzamiento?

Estoy por vender mi MOX6 y tengo algunos compromisos en noviembre y diciembre donde tendría qué usar ya sea el MOXF o MOX. No sé si esperarme.

La Música en Vivo Siempre es Mejor.

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#124 por Segamegadrive el 29/10/2013
Yo pienso que no lo traerán antes del mentado BUEN FIN que es hasta la tercera semana de Noviembre. Tendría que ser antes de Navidad...
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#125 por Ricardo F el 29/10/2013
hola, le han mejorado el tacto al teclado del moxf6 o es el mismo? que tal la diferencia de tacto comparado con un Juno Di?

https://soundcloud.com/ricardo_falquina

http://www.proyectodelphi.com

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#126 por H-B el 29/10/2013
El tacto no es como el del MOTIF XF pero está bien.

Lo que me gustaría saber es si alguien tiene un MOTIF y un MOX o MOXF y nos pudiese decir la diferencia del sonido.
Imagino que los conversores del MOXF o del MOX serán peores y se notará diferencia...
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#127 por Robertin_Keys el 29/10/2013
Yo tengo un Motif ES6 con 3 PLG150 y un MOX6 que son los teclados que uso en directo. En estudio uso un Yamaha Motif XF6.

Cuando compré el MOX6 teníamos en el estudio un Motif XS6. Lo probamos voice por voice comprarándo el MOX y el XS en el mismo sistema de monitoreo. Aparentemente no había diferencia entre ambos.La verdad, yo no sé mucho de convertidores y esos rollos, pero lo que sí me he fijado y mis compañeros de grupo lo han notado es que hay diferencia en la calidad de los sonidos de las ocasiones en que toco con el MOX a las que toco con el Motif ES.

Como comento, no es que yo sepa de aspectos técnicos y electrónicos de los procesadores de audio y convertidores, etc. pero por ejemplo, en una rola donde tenga qué meter el Cello Duet en un solo, cuando lo hago en el Motif ES se escucha con más presencia, mejor definición y dinamismo que cuando toco este mismo Voice en el MOX, usando la misma ecualización y volúmen en mi ampli Roland KC350.

Yamaha Motif ES6 no tiene la tecnología que tienen Motif XS-XF y MOX, pero me he percatado de estas diferencias, además de que ciertos voices como Dist Full, Shade Pale, Cello Duet, y muchos otros los escucho mejor en el ES que en el MOX e, incluso, el Motif XS.

La Música en Vivo Siempre es Mejor.

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#128 por Robertin_Keys el 30/10/2013
danyboychicken escribió:
Yo pienso que no lo traerán antes del mentado BUEN FIN que es hasta la tercera semana de Noviembre. Tendría que ser antes de Navidad...


Buen punto.

La Música en Vivo Siempre es Mejor.

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#129 por Segamegadrive el 30/10/2013
Hay por ahí un video comparativo de Yamaha S90XS vs MX61.

Como sabemos, el S90XS tiene los mismos sonidos de el Motif XS mas las muestras del Concert Grand S6, bueno, en ese video se notan las diferencias entre uno y otro. Creo que tiene que ver con los efectos de inserción, ya que ahí es donde está el mayor de los recortes.

Buscaré el video, si lo encuentro lo pongo aquí.

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#130 por --509851-- el 30/10/2013
Yo he visto el video,y he de decir que se nota una barbaridad la calidad de uno y otro,pero es normal viendo la diferencia de precio de uno a otro.Me imagino que tambien se notara si comparamos el Mox U Moxf con el S90xs
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#131 por kupi el 30/10/2013
El mox y el xs suenan basicamente igual.si hay diferencia en el nivel de salida.
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#132 por JUANDECIJA el 07/11/2013
Buenas chicos, para solventar las dudas comparativas entre el yamaha MOX y MOXF
os paso la comparativa definitiva.....by yamaha:

MOXF: What’s New
MO/MOX/MOXF-series Comparative Analysis

Wave ROM 

MO: 175MB 

MOX: 355MB 

MOXF: 741MB

Waveforms 

MO: 1,859 

MOX: 2,670 

MOXF: 3,977 *add 2,048 User waveforms on optional Flash board

Polyphony 

MO: 64 notes 

MOX: 64 notes 

MOXF: 128 notes

Preset Voices (banks) 

MO: 768 (6) 

MOX: 1024 (8)
MOXF: 1152 (9)

Preset Drum Kits 

MO: 64 

MOX: 64 

MOXF: 72

User Voices (Banks) 

MO: 256 (2) 

MOX: 384 (3) 

MOXF: 384 (3)

User Drum Kits 

MO: 32 

MOX: 32 

MOXF: 32

GM Normal + Drum 

MO: 128 + 1 

MOX: 128 + 1 

MOXF: 128 + 1

Performances (Banks)

MO: 128 (1)

MOX: 256 
(2)
MOXF: 256 (2)

Elements (Oscillators) per VOICE 

MO: 4 

MOX: 8* XA Control (Expanded Articulation) 

MOXF: 8* XA Control (Expanded Articulation)

The XA CONTROL found in the Motif XS and the S90/S70XS, the Motif XF and MOX6/MOX8 and now MOXF-series puts this expressive feature under your fingers so that you can better articulate musical phrases by making available different behaviors controlled by how you touch the keys and interact with your physical controllers (buttons, pedals, etc.). The increase in the number of Elements is primarily used to give the performer more ways to alter the sound during a performance. Changing how the instrument responds beyond just the two dimensional play you get with most sample playback instruments. For example, the legato articulation detects when you connect notes in a phrase and will access a different Element to sound… rather than retriggering the attack of the instrument sound, this articulation control will access a non-attack Waveform. If you attempt to do a guitar “hammer-on” with this legato you do not hear the guitar pick on each successive note - the XA CONTROL - legato - smoothly transitions to the “legato Element” which does not have the picked attack. When articulating a bowed string or woodwind instrument phrase where there is one “stroke” or one “breath” but several notes in the phrase, on a standard sample playback instrument every note is attacked, attack-attack-attack, but with XA (expanded articulation) control your phrases sound more natural as the attack only occurs on the first note in the phrase and the rest can be “woven together” without the same attack portion of the sample. And that is just one of the different uses for XA CONTROL. And now with the MOXF having 128 notes of polyphony, more options for XA CONTROL are revealed.

Preset Arpeggios 

MO: 1,787 

MOX: 6,720* Four simultaneous arpeggiators 

MOXF: 7,981* Four simultaneous arpeggiators

A major concept change in the arpeggiators occurred in the MOX - more than just flourishes of notes, arpeggios take on the role of dynamic music performance phrases, and even mind-bending controller gestures that can be applied in chord intelligent, tempo synchronized manner to your performance of music.They are flexible and highly interactive, even the drum Arps can be interactive to the player’s velocity. Designed principally for recording directly to the internal (or an external) sequencer, these can be used to control internal or external devices, and can also be used in “live” performance. Complex musical effect type arpeggio phrases with creative velocity zoning brings another whole dimension to the classic Up/Down, Down/Up, and Random modes of arpeggiators-past. The MOXF adds new content (including phrases appropriate for “endings").

User Arpeggios 

MO: 256 

MOX: 256 

MOXF: 256

Controller Block
• Two sets of 4 Knobs x 3 rows of functions [Knob Function 1]/[Knob Function 2]: Parameters for real time control of the current VOICE or selected Part (when in Performance or Mixing modes).
• Press both KNOB CONTROL buttons together to create four side-by-side VOLUME and four side-by-side PAN controls for the PERFORMANCE Parts 1-4. Works for MIXING PARTS, in groups of fours: 1-4, 5-8, 9-12 and 13-16, depending on the currently selected TRACK 1-16.

Master Control Zones 

MO: 4 

MOX: 4 

MOXF: 4* 


*new MASTER mode [PERFORMANCE CONTROL] function allows buttons [1]-[4] to activate/deactivate Internal Zones 1-4; while buttons [9]-[12] activate/deactivate External Zones 1-4

Simultaneous Insertion FX Parts 

MO: 3 

MOX: 3* VCM - Virtual Circuitry Modeling effects 

MOXF: 8* VCM - Virtual Circuitry Modeling effects

VCM technology from Yamaha is widely respected and is used in today’s boutique studio processors (including the Neve Portico series). This cutting edge technology use complex physical modeling to accurately reproduce the classic processors of the recent past. There is a suite of VCM Effects recreating stomp box effects, classic wah-wah, EQ’s and other essential studio rack items - all trickled down from Yamaha’s market leading, large format digital mixing consoles, and Yamaha’s cutting edge Rev-X reverberation taken directly from the SPX2000. It is easy to say that no synthesizer workstation has had this level of available processing in this price point! Now eight PARTS of your SONG/PATTERN MIXING program can recall their dual Insertion Effects simultaneously. This translates to more complexity and definition in your mixes… Dual Insertion Effects are available (always) when multi-track recording to a DAW via the MOXF’s built-in dual stereo USB audio interface.

Computer Integration
MO: USB-MIDI (MIDI only)
MOX: USB Audio/MIDI interface built-in (4-in/2-out audio interface) Dual Stereo Record
MOXF: USB Audio/MIDI interface built-in (4-in/2-out audio interface) Dual Stereo Record

In plain talk, what the “4-in” means is the MOXF acts as an audio interface - a way to send audio into the computer on four audio channels. In the case the four channels are configured as two discreet stereo buses. USB 1/2, and USB 3/4. You can assign, for example, a vocal mic to one set of outputs, and your playing to the other, allowing discreet recording of each, simultaneously, to your DAW. The “2-out” refers to the main Left/Right Outputs of the MOXF which you connect to a quality pair of monitors, like the Yamaha HS8’s, all computer audio and the audio of the MOXF are routed to this output. The MOXF becomes your computer’s soundcard. All sound will travel through the MOXF. This is an important basic to understand. The MOXF not only is a workstation with an internal sequencer, but it can link with external computer DAWs to increase your music making power. Data can be synchronized so creative Multi-tracking is in available.

Four simultaneous inputs to the computer, which will be used to MIXDOWN your composition to two outputs. The finished mix is typically a stereo file.

Yamaha’s commitment to hardware/software integration is illustrated with the MOXF6/MOXF Editor Standalone/VST - allows the MOXF to work well within the computer environment. It can run inside any VST3 compatible DAW or along side any DAW. The Audio interface uses the Yamaha Steinberg USB ASIO driver which means you can use any major DAW you desire (Cubase, Nuendo, Logic Pro, Sonar, Pro Tools, Digital Performer, Ableton Live, Reason, FL Studio, Studio One, etc., etc.) basically any DAW that is able to support an ASIO driver.

• DAW REMOTE templates for Cubase, Logic Pro, Sonar, and Digital Performer.
• Cubase AI knob “no-brainer” Remote Control
When you use the MOXF with Cubase, you can use the AI KNOB to move the transport, or as an assignable controller. When working with a soft synth (VSTi) inside of Cubase, you can setup the front panel buttons and knobs to whatever available function you find most useful, but even better is the AI KNOB. Simply hover the mouse over the parameter in the computer and the AI KNOB is instantly controlling it. This ‘hover and control’ is so quick and easy, ten seconds of working with it and you understand why this is a BIG DEAL.

Sample Expansion in a FLASH*

MO: None 

MOX: None

MOXF: 1 Slot/ maximum 1GB non-volatile Flash board (FL512M or FL1024M)

*The MOXF does not sample; it is able to playback audio samples. Flash means you will always be able to add new content, be it Sampled Voice libraries of new full instruments, audio loops, or even your own backing vocals for your songs! It can access sample data that has been installed on a Yamaha FL512M or FL1024M Optional Flash Board (sold separately). Flash boards hold data between power cycles, yet are user rewritable. Data is installed via USB drive in a process similar to the LOAD FILE routine. Data is divided into two TYPES: WAVEFORMS and SAMPLES.

“Waveforms” are described as the parameters that organize or collect the audio into playable entities within the MOXF. “Samples” are described as the actual audio data that is to be used as the sound source within the MOXF Voice. Waveform data is small in size (measured in Kilobytes of data), while Sample data can be quite large in size (often measured in Megabytes of data). Waveform data includes the KEY RANGE and VELOCITY RANGE mapping, while Sample data includes the actual audio/sound. You will find options to load “with Waveform” and “with Sample”, this is because there are times when you need to restore just one without the other…

This occurs when, for example, you already have your favorite data installed on your FLASH BOARD, but you are placing that BOARD in a new MOXF. In such a situation you will simply need to load the WAVEFORMS (not the Samples) because the FLASH BOARD already has the large sample data, you only need to make the new MOXF aware of how the samples are organized on the Flash Board. Waveform information loads extremely rapidly compared to Samples data (due, again, to the size of the data).

FLASH not only allows the user access to new sounds but it is very important when considering whether a keyboard “gets old”. FLASH means you can reinvent the instrument every time you press the [EDIT] button.
Using your downloadable copy of Cubase AI7 you can record audio tracks via the MOXF’s built-in audio interface (plug your dynamic microphone directly into the MOXF, process it with cutting edge effects, record it to an audio track). You can then export audio that you have recorded to Cubase in 16-bit/44.1kHz format - these can then be imported to the MOXF and installed on your Flash Board… allowing you to ‘take the magic of the studio with you to the stage’. Once installed on the FLASH board, the audio (your custom audio) will always be accessible as Wave data!

Basic point: SAMPLE data remains accessible even after cycling the power (power down/power up). Your custom selected data remains as instantly accessible as the Preset Wave ROM.

Flash - By the Numbers:
• A single FLASH BOARD adds either 512MB or 1024MB (1Gig) of rewritable memory for custom data.
• There can be 2048 Waveforms containing as many as 8192 individual Samples.
• All Waveform/Sample related data is based on “whichever comes first”. If any of the limits is reached you will be out of sample memory. That is, if you use up the 8192 individual Samples before you reach the 2048 Waveform limit or the 1024MB limit, you will be out of memory. If you reach 1024MB before you reach 8192 samples or 2048 Waveforms, you will be out of memory, and so on… whichever comes first.
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#133 por ModulArte el 13/11/2013
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Tienes alguna novedad ? sigue el problema?
creo que es algo importante que no se esta teniendo en cuenta en el foro.
saludos,
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