Problema imac-pro tools-garaje band

#1 por Ruben Martin el 14/02/2011
Hola, me acabo de comprar in imac 3.06 y 4 gb y trabajo con pro tools 8.04, cuando estoy currando me sale el siguiente error (cuidado que es un parrafón, sigo más abajo)

Process: Pro Tools LE [185]
Path: /Applications/Digidesign/Pro Tools/Pro Tools LE.app/Contents/MacOS/Pro Tools LE
Identifier: com.digidesign.ProToolsLE
Version: 8.0.4 (8.0.4f240)
Code Type: X86 (Native)
Parent Process: launchd [100]

Date/Time: 2011-02-14 22:06:49.035 +0100
OS Version: Mac OS X 10.6.6 (10J567)
Report Version: 6
Sleep/Wake UUID: 3C369CB4-50C3-49A5-86A2-F22E1762D6C7

Interval Since Last Report: 21312 sec
Crashes Since Last Report: 4
Per-App Interval Since Last Report: 16576 sec
Per-App Crashes Since Last Report: 2
Anonymous UUID: 1173A4EF-F077-4EED-9E37-3CF4A80FCD2B

Exception Type: EXC_BAD_ACCESS (SIGSEGV)
Exception Codes: 0x000000000000000d, 0x0000000000000000
Crashed Thread: 0 Dispatch queue: com.apple.main-thread

Thread 0 Crashed: Dispatch queue: com.apple.main-thread
0 dyld 0x8fe11f32 misaligned_stack_error + 0
1 ...gn.framework.CoreFoundation 0x003589ca Sys_MachExceptionHandler::Init(bool) + 1156
2 ??? 0x00000001 0 + 1
3 com.apple.framework.IOKit 0x989c822d IODispatchCalloutFromMessage + 39
4 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x969dc772 __CFMachPortPerform + 338
5 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x969d84db __CFRunLoopRun + 6523
6 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x969d6464 CFRunLoopRunSpecific + 452
7 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x969d6291 CFRunLoopRunInMode + 97
8 com.apple.HIToolbox 0x90146004 RunCurrentEventLoopInMode + 392
9 com.apple.HIToolbox 0x90145dbb ReceiveNextEventCommon + 354
10 com.apple.HIToolbox 0x901827ac IsUserStillTracking(MenuSelectData*, unsigned char*) + 510
11 com.apple.HIToolbox 0x9016362a TrackMenuCommon(MenuSelectData&, unsigned char*) + 3828
12 com.apple.HIToolbox 0x9030d41f PopUpMenuSelectCore(MenuData*, Point, double, Point, unsigned short, unsigned int, Rect const*, unsigned short, unsigned long, Rect const*, Rect const*, __CFString const*, OpaqueMenuRef**, unsigned short*) + 1938
13 com.apple.HIToolbox 0x9030d8a8 PopUpMenuSelect + 253
14 com.digidesign.framework.DFW 0x0250790e TMenu::PopUp(Cmn_Point, long, TMenuPopupResult&) + 346
15 com.digidesign.framework.DFW 0x02424046 CTBPopupMenu::DoIt(_CPoint&, long) + 230
16 ...gidesign.framework.ProTools 0x00c58ec1 0x7d3000 + 4742849
17 ...gidesign.framework.ProTools 0x00c57bfd 0x7d3000 + 4738045
18 com.digidesign.framework.DFW 0x023ec61b TView::HandleMouseDown(VPoint const&, TToolboxEvent*, _CPoint) + 703
19 com.digidesign.framework.DFW 0x023ec423 TView::HandleMouseDown(VPoint const&, TToolboxEvent*, _CPoint) + 199
20 com.digidesign.framework.DFW 0x023ec423 TView::HandleMouseDown(VPoint const&, TToolboxEvent*, _CPoint) + 199
21 com.digidesign.framework.DFW 0x023ec423 TView::HandleMouseDown(VPoint const&, TToolboxEvent*, _CPoint) + 199
22 com.digidesign.framework.DFW 0x023ec423 TView::HandleMouseDown(VPoint const&, TToolboxEvent*, _CPoint) + 199
23 com.digidesign.framework.DFW 0x023ec423 TView::HandleMouseDown(VPoint const&, TToolboxEvent*, _CPoint) + 199
24 com.digidesign.framework.DFW 0x023ec423 TView::HandleMouseDown(VPoint const&, TToolboxEvent*, _CPoint) + 199
25 com.digidesign.framework.DFW 0x023ec423 TView::HandleMouseDown(VPoint const&, TToolboxEvent*, _CPoint) + 199
26 com.digidesign.framework.DFW 0x023db274 TWindow::HandleMouseDown(VPoint const&, TToolboxEvent*, _CPoint) + 168
27 com.digidesign.framework.DFW 0x024b2a8f DFW_PainterOpenGL::SetPenMode(EPenMode) + 20231
28 com.apple.AppKit 0x95e7ac68 -[NSWindow sendEvent:] + 5549
29 com.apple.AppKit 0x963ee0ca carbonAppWindowMouseHandler + 261
30 com.apple.AppKit 0x963ef4a0 carbonAppWindowHandler + 131
31 com.apple.HIToolbox 0x90118ecf DispatchEventToHandlers(EventTargetRec*, OpaqueEventRef*, HandlerCallRec*) + 1567
32 com.apple.HIToolbox 0x90118196 SendEventToEventTargetInternal(OpaqueEventRef*, OpaqueEventTargetRef*, HandlerCallRec*) + 411
33 com.apple.HIToolbox 0x9013aa07 SendEventToEventTarget + 52
34 com.apple.HIToolbox 0x9014c543 ToolboxEventDispatcherHandler(OpaqueEventHandlerCallRef*, OpaqueEventRef*, void*) + 1257
35 com.apple.HIToolbox 0x90119320 DispatchEventToHandlers(EventTargetRec*, OpaqueEventRef*, HandlerCallRec*) + 2672
36 com.apple.HIToolbox 0x90118196 SendEventToEventTargetInternal(OpaqueEventRef*, OpaqueEventTargetRef*, HandlerCallRec*) + 411
37 com.apple.HIToolbox 0x9013aa07 SendEventToEventTarget + 52
38 com.apple.HIToolbox 0x902c3d2b ToolboxEventDispatcher + 86
39 com.apple.HIToolbox 0x902c3e63 RunApplicationEventLoop + 243
40 com.digidesign.framework.DFW 0x0251773f DFW_EventLoop::RunApplicationEventLoop() + 11
41 com.digidesign.framework.DFW 0x0240684f TApplication::Run() + 45
42 ...gidesign.framework.ProTools 0x0142453b LaunchProTools + 1567
43 com.digidesign.ProToolsLE 0x0000a1e9 0x1000 + 37353
44 com.digidesign.ProToolsLE 0x0000aaf3 0x1000 + 39667
45 com.digidesign.ProToolsLE 0x00004e8f 0x1000 + 16015
46 com.digidesign.ProToolsLE 0x00004dbd 0x1000 + 15805

Thread 1: Dispatch queue: com.apple.libdispatch-manager
0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x96b49982 kevent + 10
1 libSystem.B.dylib 0x96b4a09c _dispatch_mgr_invoke + 215
2 libSystem.B.dylib 0x96b49559 _dispatch_queue_invoke + 163
3 libSystem.B.dylib 0x96b492fe _dispatch_worker_thread2 + 240
4 libSystem.B.dylib 0x96b48d81 _pthread_wqthread + 390
5 libSystem.B.dylib 0x96b48bc6 start_wqthread + 30

Thread 2:
0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x96b23136 semaphore_wait_trap + 10
1 ...idesign.framework.digitrace 0x04759667 DigiTraceStart(CDigiTraceManager*, bool) + 8224
2 ...idesign.framework.digitrace 0x0475ce41 DigiTraceIsActiveFunc + 1124
3 ...idesign.framework.digitrace 0x0475cf8b DigiTraceIsActiveFunc + 1454
4 ...idesign.framework.digitrace 0x0475d0d5 DigiTraceIsActiveFunc + 1784
5 libSystem.B.dylib 0x96b5085d _pthread_start + 345
6 libSystem.B.dylib 0x96b506e2 thread_start + 34

Thread 3:
0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x96b230fa mach_msg_trap + 10
1 libSystem.B.dylib 0x96b23867 mach_msg + 68
2 ...gn.framework.CoreFoundation 0x003583c7 Sys_Random::Sys_Random() + 123
3 libSystem.B.dylib 0x96b5085d _pthread_start + 345
4 libSystem.B.dylib 0x96b506e2 thread_start + 34

Thread 4:
0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x96b230fa mach_msg_trap + 10
1 libSystem.B.dylib 0x96b23867 mach_msg + 68
2 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x969d737f __CFRunLoopRun + 2079
3 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x969d6464 CFRunLoopRunSpecific + 452
4 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x969dc3a4 CFRunLoopRun + 84
5 com.digidesign.framework.DAE 0x03122244 FicIsAlive + 800
6 libSystem.B.dylib 0x96b5085d _pthread_start + 345
7 libSystem.B.dylib 0x96b506e2 thread_start + 34

Thread 5:
0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x96b2f0ca ioctl + 10
1 ...n.framework.PlatformSupport 0x029378d5 PSHardware_MatchDeviceInfo(TPSPCIDeviceInfo const*, TPSPCIDeviceInfo const*) + 6524
2 ...n.framework.PlatformSupport 0x0294078a PSThreadTable_AddTable(SPSThreadPriorityEntry const*, unsigned long) + 311
3 com.digidesign.framework.DAE 0x031a0659 FicReportExternalEvent + 150448
4 ...gn.framework.CoreFoundation 0x003373d6 Sys_RawThreadTask::Run() + 36
5 ...gn.framework.CoreFoundation 0x00354bfa Sys_RawThread::ThreadIDsAreEqual(void*, void*) + 48
6 ...n.framework.PlatformSupport 0x02937cdd PSHardware_MatchDeviceInfo(TPSPCIDeviceInfo const*, TPSPCIDeviceInfo const*) + 7556
7 libSystem.B.dylib 0x96b5085d _pthread_start + 345
8 libSystem.B.dylib 0x96b506e2 thread_start + 34

Thread 6:
0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x96b2320e mach_wait_until + 10
1 ...ple.CoreServices.CarbonCore 0x98d17828 MPDelayUntil + 43
2 ...ple.CoreServices.CarbonCore 0x98d2724e Delay + 107
3 ...opellerheads.rewire.library 0x1d55b7e8 RWPUnregisterDeviceImp + 21574
4 ...opellerheads.rewire.library 0x1d576a5c RWPUnregisterDeviceImp + 132794
5 libSystem.B.dylib 0x96b5085d _pthread_start + 345
6 libSystem.B.dylib 0x96b506e2 thread_start + 34

Thread 7:
0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x96b2314e semaphore_timedwait_trap + 10
1 ...ple.CoreServices.CarbonCore 0x98ca5c42 MPWaitOnSemaphore + 125
2 ...gidesign.iokit.digifwdriver 0x18be3017 MidiReadThread(void*) + 65
3 ...ple.CoreServices.CarbonCore 0x98c7385a PrivateMPEntryPoint + 68
4 libSystem.B.dylib 0x96b5085d _pthread_start + 345
5 libSystem.B.dylib 0x96b506e2 thread_start + 34

Thread 8:
0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x96b2314e semaphore_timedwait_trap + 10
1 ...ple.CoreServices.CarbonCore 0x98ca5c42 MPWaitOnSemaphore + 125
2 ...gidesign.iokit.digifwdriver 0x18be3017 MidiReadThread(void*) + 65
3 ...ple.CoreServices.CarbonCore 0x98c7385a PrivateMPEntryPoint + 68
4 libSystem.B.dylib 0x96b5085d _pthread_start + 345
5 libSystem.B.dylib 0x96b506e2 thread_start + 34

Thread 9:
0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x96b2314e semaphore_timedwait_trap + 10
1 ...ple.CoreServices.CarbonCore 0x98ca5c42 MPWaitOnSemaphore + 125
2 ...gidesign.iokit.digifwdriver 0x18be3017 MidiReadThread(void*) + 65
3 ...ple.CoreServices.CarbonCore 0x98c7385a PrivateMPEntryPoint + 68
4 libSystem.B.dylib 0x96b5085d _pthread_start + 345
5 libSystem.B.dylib 0x96b506e2 thread_start + 34

Thread 10:
0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x96b2314e semaphore_timedwait_trap + 10
1 ...ple.CoreServices.CarbonCore 0x98ca5c42 MPWaitOnSemaphore + 125
2 ...gidesign.iokit.digifwdriver 0x18be3017 MidiReadThread(void*) + 65
3 ...ple.CoreServices.CarbonCore 0x98c7385a PrivateMPEntryPoint + 68
4 libSystem.B.dylib 0x96b5085d _pthread_start + 345
5 libSystem.B.dylib 0x96b506e2 thread_start + 34

Thread 11:
0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x96b2314e semaphore_timedwait_trap + 10
1 ...ple.CoreServices.CarbonCore 0x98ca5c42 MPWaitOnSemaphore + 125
2 ...gidesign.iokit.digifwdriver 0x18be3017 MidiReadThread(void*) + 65
3 ...ple.CoreServices.CarbonCore 0x98c7385a PrivateMPEntryPoint + 68
4 libSystem.B.dylib 0x96b5085d _pthread_start + 345
5 libSystem.B.dylib 0x96b506e2 thread_start + 34

Thread 12:
0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x96b2314e semaphore_timedwait_trap + 10
1 ...ple.CoreServices.CarbonCore 0x98ca5c42 MPWaitOnSemaphore + 125
2 ...gidesign.iokit.digifwdriver 0x18be3017 MidiReadThread(void*) + 65
3 ...ple.CoreServices.CarbonCore 0x98c7385a PrivateMPEntryPoint + 68
4 libSystem.B.dylib 0x96b5085d _pthread_start + 345
5 libSystem.B.dylib 0x96b506e2 thread_start + 34

Thread 13:
0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x96b2314e semaphore_timedwait_trap + 10
1 ...ple.CoreServices.CarbonCore 0x98ca5c42 MPWaitOnSemaphore + 125
2 ...gidesign.iokit.digifwdriver 0x18be3017 MidiReadThread(void*) + 65
3 ...ple.CoreServices.CarbonCore 0x98c7385a PrivateMPEntryPoint + 68
4 libSystem.B.dylib 0x96b5085d _pthread_start + 345
5 libSystem.B.dylib 0x96b506e2 thread_start + 34

Thread 14:
0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x96b2314e semaphore_timedwait_trap + 10
1 ...ple.CoreServices.CarbonCore 0x98ca5c42 MPWaitOnSemaphore + 125
2 ...gidesign.iokit.digifwdriver 0x18be3017 MidiReadThread(void*) + 65
3 ...ple.CoreServices.CarbonCore 0x98c7385a PrivateMPEntryPoint + 68
4 libSystem.B.dylib 0x96b5085d _pthread_start + 345
5 libSystem.B.dylib 0x96b506e2 thread_start + 34

Thread 15:
0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x96b230fa mach_msg_trap + 10
1 libSystem.B.dylib 0x96b23867 mach_msg + 68
2 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x969d737f __CFRunLoopRun + 2079
3 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x969d6464 CFRunLoopRunSpecific + 452
4 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x969dc3a4 CFRunLoopRun + 84
5 com.digidesign.framework.DAE 0x0327b50c FicHostPlugInRunnerInit + 47423
6 ...ple.CoreServices.CarbonCore 0x98c7385a PrivateMPEntryPoint + 68
7 libSystem.B.dylib 0x96b5085d _pthread_start + 345
8 libSystem.B.dylib 0x96b506e2 thread_start + 34

Thread 16:
0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x96b230fa mach_msg_trap + 10
1 libSystem.B.dylib 0x96b23867 mach_msg + 68
2 com.digidesign.framework.DAE 0x0327cc64 FicHostPlugInRunnerInit + 53399
3 ...ple.CoreServices.CarbonCore 0x98c7385a PrivateMPEntryPoint + 68
4 libSystem.B.dylib 0x96b5085d _pthread_start + 345
5 libSystem.B.dylib 0x96b506e2 thread_start + 34

Thread 17:
0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x96b2f0ca ioctl + 10
1 ...n.framework.PlatformSupport 0x029378d5 PSHardware_MatchDeviceInfo(TPSPCIDeviceInfo const*, TPSPCIDeviceInfo const*) + 6524
2 com.digidesign.framework.DAE 0x031cb65e FWAudioCallback + 137440
3 ...n.framework.PlatformSupport 0x02937cdd PSHardware_MatchDeviceInfo(TPSPCIDeviceInfo const*, TPSPCIDeviceInfo const*) + 7556
4 libSystem.B.dylib 0x96b5085d _pthread_start + 345
5 libSystem.B.dylib 0x96b506e2 thread_start + 34

Thread 18:
0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x96b2f0ca ioctl + 10
1 ...n.framework.PlatformSupport 0x029378d5 PSHardware_MatchDeviceInfo(TPSPCIDeviceInfo const*, TPSPCIDeviceInfo const*) + 6524
2 ...n.framework.PlatformSupport 0x0294078a PSThreadTable_AddTable(SPSThreadPriorityEntry const*, unsigned long) + 311
3 ...gn.framework.CoreFoundation 0x0035497e Sys_BlockingTimer::Destroy(Sys_BlockingTimer*&) + 840
4 ...gn.framework.CoreFoundation 0x0033742a Sys_RawThreadTimerTask::Exec() + 54
5 ...gn.framework.CoreFoundation 0x003373d6 Sys_RawThreadTask::Run() + 36
6 ...gn.framework.CoreFoundation 0x00354bfa Sys_RawThread::ThreadIDsAreEqual(void*, void*) + 48
7 ...n.framework.PlatformSupport 0x02937cdd PSHardware_MatchDeviceInfo(TPSPCIDeviceInfo const*, TPSPCIDeviceInfo const*) + 7556
8 libSystem.B.dylib 0x96b5085d _pthread_start + 345
9 libSystem.B.dylib 0x96b506e2 thread_start + 34

Thread 19:
0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x96b2f0ca ioctl + 10
1 ...n.framework.PlatformSupport 0x029378d5 PSHardware_MatchDeviceInfo(TPSPCIDeviceInfo const*, TPSPCIDeviceInfo const*) + 6524
2 com.digidesign.framework.DAE 0x031fc59d FWAudioCallback + 337951
3 com.digidesign.framework.DAE 0x031c1de3 FWAudioCallback + 98405
4 com.digidesign.framework.DAE 0x031fc7f0 FWAudioCallback + 338546
5 ...n.framework.PlatformSupport 0x02937cf2 PSHardware_MatchDeviceInfo(TPSPCIDeviceInfo const*, TPSPCIDeviceInfo const*) + 7577
6 libSystem.B.dylib 0x96b5085d _pthread_start + 345
7 libSystem.B.dylib 0x96b506e2 thread_start + 34

Thread 20:
0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x96b2f0ca ioctl + 10
1 ...n.framework.PlatformSupport 0x029378d5 PSHardware_MatchDeviceInfo(TPSPCIDeviceInfo const*, TPSPCIDeviceInfo const*) + 6524
2 com.digidesign.framework.DAE 0x031fc59d FWAudioCallback + 337951
3 com.digidesign.framework.DAE 0x031c1e6f FWAudioCallback + 98545
4 com.digidesign.framework.DAE 0x031fc7f0 FWAudioCallback + 338546
5 ...n.framework.PlatformSupport 0x02937cf2 PSHardware_MatchDeviceInfo(TPSPCIDeviceInfo const*, TPSPCIDeviceInfo const*) + 7577
6 libSystem.B.dylib 0x96b5085d _pthread_start + 345
7 libSystem.B.dylib 0x96b506e2 thread_start + 34

Thread 21:
0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x96b2f0ca ioctl + 10
1 ...n.framework.PlatformSupport 0x029378d5 PSHardware_MatchDeviceInfo(TPSPCIDeviceInfo const*, TPSPCIDeviceInfo const*) + 6524
2 com.digidesign.framework.DAE 0x03188df8 FicReportExternalEvent + 54095
3 ...n.framework.PlatformSupport 0x02937cdd PSHardware_MatchDeviceInfo(TPSPCIDeviceInfo const*, TPSPCIDeviceInfo const*) + 7556
4 libSystem.B.dylib 0x96b5085d _pthread_start + 345
5 libSystem.B.dylib 0x96b506e2 thread_start + 34

Thread 22:
0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x96b2f0ca ioctl + 10
1 ...n.framework.PlatformSupport 0x029378d5 PSHardware_MatchDeviceInfo(TPSPCIDeviceInfo const*, TPSPCIDeviceInfo const*) + 6524
2 com.digidesign.framework.DAE 0x03188df8 FicReportExternalEvent + 54095
3 ...n.framework.PlatformSupport 0x02937cdd PSHardware_MatchDeviceInfo(TPSPCIDeviceInfo const*, TPSPCIDeviceInfo const*) + 7556
4 libSystem.B.dylib 0x96b5085d _pthread_start + 345
5 libSystem.B.dylib 0x96b506e2 thread_start + 34
ETC, ETC, ETC...


También me pasa al intentar abrir el garaje band que me sale el siguiente texto:

GarageBand unexpectedly quit while trying to use the Audio Unit “Ozone 4” by “iZotope”.
This plug-in may require an update.


El caso es que hace una semana q tengo el imac (me gaste todo mi presupuesto en él, tras tener muchos problemas en pc) y estoy bastante "intranquilo", si alguien ha tenido el mismo problema y me puede ayudar se lo agradecería... mi tarjeta es la digi 003 rack+.
Muchas gracias a todos de antemano. Un saludo.
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#2 por --137778-- el 15/02/2011
Yo no te puedo ayudar, pero sinceramente espero que no hayas tenido que escribir todo eso....uf! Bueno, lo de Ozone 4, es probable que tengas que actualizarlo o borrarlo por completo del folder donde residen los plugins de protools (o desinstalarlo, no sé).

Desafortunadamente, yo uso PC y no sé en Mac donde están los plugins, pero es muy probable que ése y/o algún otro plugin te esté causando problemas. Sin embargo, son golpes al aire de alguien que no sabe mucho de esto.
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#3 por robertolo el 16/02/2011
Yo entraría en Knowledge Database de Digidesign y miraría el tema de compatibilidades con el OSX antes de mirar otra cosa. Digidesign certifica que sus diferentes hardware y software funcionan bien con unas determinadas versiones de OSX, con otras es posible que funcione bien, mal o regular. Veo que tienes la versión 10.6.6 que es la última e igual no está soportada. Si tienes que cambiar de versión no creo que haya problamas con el distribuidor Apple en que te den una versión más antigua.
Por cierto, ten en cuenta también el firmware de la Digi.
No te preocupes, has hecho una buena compra, solo te queda templarla....
Saludos y suerte.
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#4 por Ruben Martin el 18/02/2011
Gracias a todos los que me estaias ayudando. He reinstalado tanto protools como el ozone 4 (todo original), e instale la ultima actualización del ozone, que era lo q sospechaba seria el problema... pero nada, sigue igual ¿qué puedo hacer, debería formatear el imac, tiene algún problema mi nuevo ordenador...? estoy un poco desesperado, yo creía que pasándome a mac se solucionarían mis problemas... Ayuda por favor!
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#5 por Ruben Martin el 25/02/2011
Pues ahí sigo con mis cabalas... desinstalé el ozone4 y de momento el error que me daba no me lo da, pero ahora si dejo el ordenador con pro tools abierto en reposo se queda colgao el programa (la flecha se convierte en el circulillo ese de colres y no responde), por lo que tengo la esperanza que el problema me lo ocasione algun otro plugin del paquete factory. Explico cómo instalé a ver si es lo que yo pienso... Instalé pro tools 8.0 y seguidamente los plugins del paquete factory y luego realicé el update (8.03 o 8.04, he probao con los 2 y da igual). Entonces igual ¿debería instalar pro tools 8.0, hacer el update a 8.03 o 8.04 y luego instaler todos los plugins? ¿Qué opinais?

Qué update realizo 8.03 o 8.04?
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